Can there be too much of a good thing when genealogy is involved?

In my opinion – no – unless you have a real job that requires your attention. That’s when times like the last 12 hours are too much of a good thing.

First – the DNA results for Irene Veri were finally in at Ancestry. Rick and I asked Irene if she would take the DNA primarily because the advice is that one should always test their oldest living relative and we knew Irene was a genetic match to Rick through her grandfather, his great grandfather Adriano Giorgio. Irene was happy to oblige and just as eager as we were to get her DNA results.

We knew we were related because in 2013 Rick was a DNA match to Terry Colaluca who is a descendant of Pasquale Giorgio (Adriano’s brother) and through Terry we were introduced to Irene in the summer of 2013. Through Irene we met the rest of the Giorgio descendants, primarily from Adriano’s line. And our connections have grown as more and more people find us through the blog or as cousins reconnect with each other (usually with Irene) by running into one another at random spots.

So we knew we were related, but last night – when the DNA match list on Ancestry revealed that Rick and Irene are likely to be third cousins, we KNEW IT scientifically. To quote Rick – “It’s always neat when science confirms something you know – when an independent, genetic test confirms your relationship to someone through DNA – that’s amazing.” It is pretty amazing and also helps us learn more about the areas in Italy our descendants are from. It might also lead to more connections to others who have taken the DNA test on Ancestry.com.

So if any of you reading this were hoping Rick and I were some weirdos that you are not related to – sorry – we’ve got proof now – you can’t deny it any longer. Looks like those of you who descend from Adriano Giorgio and his siblings are stuck with us now.

The other exciting news that I was waiting for from Irene’s test results is shown below:

Irene Veri.DNA

77% Italian Ancestry

 

We knew that Irene’s father (Uncle Nick – Adriano’s first son) was born in Italy and that her mother Mary Giampaolo was born in Pennsylvania to parents who were both born in Italy. The other ethnic circle (the Caucasus region) on the map above is likely an effect of ancient migration patterns from that region to Italy (think Marco Polo in reverse).

The bright orange spot in the middle of Italy is exactly where you’d expect it to be based on what we know about the Giorgio family being from San Vito Chietino and both of Adriano’s wives being from Castel di Sangro. It also denotes what Ancestry DNA calls a Genetic Community – an area that you are likely to be from based on DNA results even though you don’t live there now.

Okay – there will be lots more about this in future posts but let me get to the other BIG NEWS of the day. I don’t usually check my phone in the middle of the night when I wake up but for some reason last night I did. There was new post on the Italian Genealogy facebook group from Wilberta Illig DiVincenzo (Irene’s “cousin” on her mother’s side) letting the group know that the Civil Records for Chieti are now on line.

Somehow I resisted the urge to get up and begin my search. I was actually able to get back to sleep. The reason for my excitement? Chieti includes San Vito Chietino, birthplace of Adriano Giorgio. True – Terry Colaluca provided a family history that someone in that town mailed her several years ago. I am sure it is accurate BUT… as someone said at the NGS conference earlier this month:

I’m a genealogist – I trust no one – I believe nothing – until I’ve seen it for myself!

So you can imagine how excited I was to see the Antenati this morning, confirming the birth of Adriano Giorgio in San Vito Chietino, Chieti in December 1871. The copy is faint (and in Italian) so I’m still working my way through it but you can be sure there will be more on this in future posts. The interesting notation in the margin below his name refers to the date of his marriage to Marianna Frattura (August 31, 1895) and there is a similar notation for his marriage to his third wife in 1913 on the next page (not shown below.)

This is a very condensed version of my understanding of Italian vital records. When marriages took place in Italy, the vital records for the bride and groom were gathered together as part of the records that went into the marriage Antenati. The notation in the margin by Adriano’s name probably is the notation made by the clerk when his birth records were accessed in connection with his marriages. Clearly the marriage to Custode Iacobucci in 1899 in Pittsburgh, PA didn’t make it into the Italian Antenati.

If it had, there would have been an impediment to Adriano marrying Maria Flamminio in 1913 (BECAUSE HE WAS STILL MARRIED TO CUSTODE!) More on that later as I decipher the information. It is likely to provide this father’s occupation and names of witnesses (likely to be family friends) who could verify his birth.

 

1871.BirthRecord.Antenati.SVC.Immagine95

Adriano’s name is easy to read. He was the 144th person born in San Vito Chietino in 1871 (December 27, 1871). The handwriting below his name refers to his marriage to Marianna Frattura on August 31, 1895 but I can’t make out everything that is included in that notation.

And now – back to that real job I was talking about. Sigh!

 

 

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3 thoughts on “Can there be too much of a good thing when genealogy is involved?

  1. Thank you Kalen ~ I suspect that you’re going to find out some pretty interesting details from this new source, the Antenati.
    Question ~ Do you think that is Adriano’s signature? If it is – Wow!! That, alone, would speak volumes about him. It’s so beautiful and very Florentine.
    Secondly, it’s remarkable how often the date December 27th appears. It’s Adriano’s birthdate (and also mine) and the date of Custode’s death. I have seen it mentioned in your blog for other relatives too. It just seems to keep popping up. Funny how that happens sometimes……

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    • I’m pretty sure the handwriting is from a town official or clerk because it is the same for all the names in the register. Right now I’m search the marriage Antenati to see if I can find Aunt Rosie’s marriage to Buzzelli. Based on the information in the 1900 census they were married before she immigrated.
      SO much new information!!! Just wish I’d had it before the long weekend.

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  2. Your source appears to be a treasure trove, Kalen. This is fascinating and gets more interesting the more you uncover.
    Thank you for your diligence and especially your interest.

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